[ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP- suggestion
.Kenney Jacob
kenney.jacob at gmail.com
Mon Jan 5 18:31:17 IST 2009
Its about the interest to learn. Students might want to do kernal
programming and stuff on the first day itself, but thats a good trend. Thats
what makes them go forward. Some might frop, but a very small percentage
will make it and that how it works.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Ashok Shenoy <kashokshenoy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This academic project discussion has been going on for quite some time!
>
> How many students will write code for the sake of creativity, intrest etc?
>
> VERY VERY FEW!
>
> Most want to use IT as a vehicle to riches.
>
> Being a computer assembler, network engineer, freelance programmer,
> consultant and corporate trainer since 1990 without any formal degree
> in computer science I can safely say I have seen a lot of aspiring IT
> professionals in my time and written/helped write projects for students.
>
> Pre 2000 before the IT industry hit India in a big way, most students
> went for computer degrees out of intrest, they contributed a lot to
> their own project, I helped many of them with R & D and code prototyping.
> Today these guys are in the top ranks of their companies.
>
> After trying to get students interested in core programming and getting
> my reputation badly bruised and becoming poorer by a good amount of cash,
> I have wound up my institute.
>
> My former students post 2005, some even connected to the LUG, now say I
> don't know Linux programming, kernel or otherwise!
>
> My methodology of training was to explain a concept, write some code
> to get them started and provide them with books, printouts etc, rather than
> follow up on this foundation these guys stare at the PC for some time, flip
> the pages of the book and then say 'Saar, I have finished that, what
> next?'.
>
> Tell me, is Saar expected to know the complete Linux Kernel API extempore?
> If Saar refers to some book/site to clarify a doubt they say 'Saar is
> reading from book/site, even I can do that', It does not strike the student
> that Saar knows which book/site to refer because of long hours spent on
> reference and research!
>
> Here are the common statements made by students:
>
> I know C language, teach me Kernel programming
>
> I know basic PHP, teach me PEAR
>
> I know basic this ... teach me advanced that ....
>
> the student knows every thing without having coded anything!
>
> Having worked with MS-Assembler, BASIC, Cobol, C/C++, Clipper, Delphi,
> Java, C#, TCL/TK, Python and more during the last decade or so I am
> now focussed on core computing training/consulting for companies into
> realtime systems and software products using C/C++.
>
> How many today even know or bother about C/C++ the very base of software
> science today? They say its dead! Within last three months I have delivered
> training in C/C++ related topics to companies such as Siemens, Safran
> Aerospace, Wipro, Accenture and more.
>
> All my training and material were developed on GNU Debian Etch.
>
> Templatized Data Structures, GOF Design Patterns in C/C++, Template
> Metaprogramming and STL, Boost C/C++ Libraries. ColdFusion MX 8, Rational
> Rose Realtime 7.0 and more.
>
> Unless students and teachers focus on acquire a passion for knowledge with
> the strong belief that knowledge is power, PHPs, Pythons, Javas and Rubies
> will come and go, but our students will always be equal to India's primary
> contribution to the world - the number 0!
>
> regards,
>
> Ashok Shenoy.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/2/09, cherian mt <mtcherian at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: cherian mt <mtcherian at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP- suggestion
> > To: "GPL SoftwareThis List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU" <
> mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org>
> > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:51 AM
> > make a poster saying that guidance will be given for
> > academic projects send it to colleges, put in prominent
> > places students will contact you
> >
> > http://www.alappuzhaonline.com
> > Alappuzha - The most beautiful place in Kerala
> > state, India, also called the Venice of the East
> >
> > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/
> > Kerala, state in India. One of the 50 must see
> > destinations of a lifetime ...............National
> > Geographic Traveller
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jain Johny <jainmjo at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Jain Johny <jainmjo at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP
> > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL
> > Software" <mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org>
> > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:09 PM
> >
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >
> > I heard that college of engg kidangoor doesnt support FOSS
> > much. They dont use/recommend linux. They dont allow
> > students to do mini project in PHP saying that it is a very
> > complex language.
> >
> > college office contact: 04822 256056
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> > <sameer.thahir at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday 25 December 2008 06:19 PM, Gejo Paul wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess conduct the alternative monthly meetings on eng/MCA
> > colleges will create a very good relation with students
> > and community,
> >
> >
> > I do not think conducting monthly meetings of ILUG Cochin
> > at different places is good,
> >
> > But there can be meetings, seminars or discussions
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Lot of colleges have already invited ILUG Cochin for
> > seminars
> >
> > and presentations.
> >
> >
> > ILUG -Cochin chapter should work as a mentor for
> > Eng/Graduate students.we have a lot of volunteers who are
> > having experience/knowledge in this domain.
> >
> >
> > Yes its a good idea, but first we need to make students
> > understand of
> >
> > the community framework, so that they can come forward
> > rather than
> >
> > we push them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Besides a lot of volunteers in ILUG Cochin have mentored
> > students
> >
> > from different parts of Ernakulam. But unfortunately we do
> > not have
> >
> > any record or archive of the project/ assignment they have
> > done.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think its very important to archive ideas and projects so
> > that we
> >
> > have a pool of them which will be referenced by students.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gejo Paul
> >
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> > <sameer.thahir at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sameer.thahir at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe its the Free Software community that needs
> > to be involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need free software groups in colleges and schools
> > that can
> >
> > think independently, there should not be any
> > restriction of an
> >
> > organization or a group.
> >
> >
> >
> > Freedom should exist, not just for name sake..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday 22 December 2008 01:30 PM, cherian mt
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > as far as i know there are active chapters of
> > csi in
> >
> > trivandrum and kochi.
> >
> > regarding student chapters some of the office
> > bearers of these
> >
> > chapters will be able to provide details. we
> > can also
> >
> > encourage them to form chapters.
> >
> >
> >
> > Region VII
> >
> >
> >
> > Ms. U. Mini
> >
> >
> >
> > Systems Manager,
> >
> >
> >
> > Cochin University of Science & Technology,
> > Kochi – 682022. Kerala
> >
> >
> >
> > Email : mini_ u @ cusat.ac.in
> > <http://cusat.ac.in>;
> >
> > iniu06 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:iniu06 at gmail.com> ;
> >
> > rsc7 at csi-india.org
> > <mailto:rsc7 at csi-india.org>
> >
> > <mailto:rsc7 at csi-india.org
> > <mailto:rsc7 at csi-india.org>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mobile no. 098472 89382
> >
> >
> >
> > *National Student Coordinator:*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Bipin V. Mehta
> >
> >
> >
> > Fellow, CSI and
> >
> >
> >
> > Director ,AES Institute of Computer Studies
> >
> >
> >
> > H.L. College Campus, PO Box; 4206,
> >
> >
> >
> > Navrangpura,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahmedabad – 380 009.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tel.: 079-2646 7760, 26402987 Email:
> > nsc at csi-india.org
> >
> > <mailto:nsc at csi-india.org>
> > <mailto:nsc at csi-india.org
> >
> > <mailto:nsc at csi-india.org>> ;
> > bvmehta at aesics.ac.in
> >
> > <mailto:bvmehta at aesics.ac.in>
> > <mailto:bvmehta at aesics.ac.in
> >
> > <mailto:bvmehta at aesics.ac.in>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > the issues regarding students is
> >
> >
> >
> > how many are genuinely interested in doing
> > projects? may be
> >
> > 25% in a class.
> >
> >
> >
> > knowledge of students in programming will be
> > limited when
> >
> > they are in college only after they get out
> > will they
> >
> > understand better ( this is the case with all
> > courses) by the
> >
> > time the project time is over.
> >
> >
> >
> > the top priority of students is to score well
> > in their exam. (
> >
> > cut off to get into a company)
> >
> >
> >
> > in any case if they get into a company the
> > company trains them.
> >
> >
> >
> > regards
> >
> > cherian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com*
> >
> > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>*
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful place in
> > Kerala, also
> >
> > called the Venice of the East
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/
> >
> > *Kerala*, state in India. One of the
> > 50 must see
> >
> > destinations of a lifetime
> > ...............National Geographic
> >
> > Traveller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 12/22/08, .Kenney Jacob
> > /<kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>>/*
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: .Kenney Jacob
> > <kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic
> > Projects And PHP
> >
> > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux
> > & GNU, GPL Software"
> >
> > <mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org
> > <mailto:mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org>>
> >
> >
> > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:59 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >
> >
> >
> > I know a few people from CSI Trivandrum.
> > But how many colleges
> >
> > have CSI presence. My college didnt have.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.kenneyjacob.com
> >
> > Kenney Jacob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:55 PM, cherian
> > mt
> >
> > <mtcherian at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:mtcherian at yahoo.com>
> >
> > </mc/compose?to=mtcherian at yahoo.com
> >
> > <mailto:mtcherian at yahoo.com>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > are any of ilug members members of
> > computer society of
> >
> > india?
> >
> > csi has student chapters in a
> > number of colleges and they
> >
> > are coordinators who are
> > coordinating the activities
> >
> > of these
> >
> > chapters. good place to start off.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > cherian m t
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com*
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>*
> >
> > *
> >
> > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful
> > place in Kerala, also
> >
> > called the Venice of the East
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/
> >
> > *Kerala*, state in India.
> > One of the 50 must see
> >
> > destinations of a lifetime
> > ...............National
> >
> > Geographic
> >
> > Traveller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 12/21/08, .Kenney Jacob
> >
> > /<kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>
> >
> > </mc/compose?to=kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>>>/*
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: .Kenney Jacob
> > <kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>
> >
> > </mc/compose?to=kenney.jacob at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:kenney.jacob at gmail.com>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org]
> > Academic Projects
> >
> > And PHP
> >
> > To: "This List discusses
> > GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software"
> >
> > <mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org
> > <mailto:mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org>
> >
> >
> > </mc/compose?to=mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org
> >
> >
> > <mailto:mailinglist at ilug-cochin.org>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Sunday, December 21,
> > 2008, 12:57 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment
> > Follows-----
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thats well said. Lets do the
> > mailing part. That
> >
> > would be
> >
> > really great.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.kenneyjacob.com
> >
> > Kenney Jacob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:10
> > PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> >
> > <sameer.thahir at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sameer.thahir at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://mc/compose?to=sameer.thahir@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday 19 December
> > 2008 12:46 PM, .Kenney
> >
> > Jacob wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Every large scale
> > change starts with awareness.
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree
> >
> >
> >
> > Students should be
> > aware of their freedom to
> >
> > choose their own
> > topics.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is not only about
> > topics, freedom in a broader
> >
> > sense is being lost in
> > academics on the whole,
> >
> > Of course, there needs to
> > be a starting point
> >
> > which is
> >
> > this.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this issue gets
> > noticed by the academic
> >
> > community, we can
> > push for a circular from the
> >
> > university. For
> > that to happen, this needs
> >
> > to be
> >
> > discussed
> > throughout the community.
> >
> >
> >
> > What I feel can be done
> >
> > - Create a pool of
> > project ideas ( there are a
> >
> > lot of
> >
> > Free Software Projects on
> > the
> >
> > Internet at different
> > stages of development, we
> >
> > need
> >
> > to create a sort of
> > legend for
> >
> > students ,
> >
> > - Create a page on the
> > Internet that will serve
> >
> > as a
> >
> > reference to teachers,
> >
> > so that they are
> > convinced of the scope of the
> >
> > project
> >
> > and how it can do good
> >
> > to the student, college
> > and most important the
> >
> > "Community".
> >
> > - Once projects are
> > completed they are uploaded
> >
> > to the
> >
> > website and also
> >
> > are presented and spoken
> > of at events and Community
> >
> > group meetings
> >
> > (like ILUG Cochin), and
> > the project will
> >
> > develop wings.
> >
> > - This will serve as an
> > example and lesson for the
> >
> > other students as well
> >
> > and then we have a whole
> > lot of useful software
> >
> > created by the students
> >
> > for the community.
> >
> >
> >
> > - The Web page also needs
> > information from the
> >
> > normal
> >
> > users and business
> >
> > people, so that they can
> > put in their requirements
> >
> > into the page so that
> >
> > it becomes " a self
> > sustaining community".
> >
> >
> >
> > - Finally let us begin
> > upon, and reiterate on
> >
> > what is
> >
> > the aim of an
> >
> > academic project in our
> > society and again " the
> >
> > free
> >
> > software community".
> >
> > Many times students do
> > not know what path they
> >
> > need to
> >
> > take to create
> >
> > something useful for the
> > society.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need to draft an open
> > letter to all educational
> >
> > institutions
> >
> > which states what an
> > academic projects means to the
> >
> > society and how
> >
> > important is the freedom
> > for students to pursue
> >
> > their
> >
> > own interests and how
> >
> > they can guide them to
> > the right path.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are lot of teachers
> > and academicians in the
> >
> > Mailing List. I believe
> >
> > we can get lot of
> > information from them. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sameer Mohamed Thahir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Jain M Johny
> >
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >
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